Real ‘Mindhunter’ remembers meeting ‘handsome’ serial killer Edmund Kemper: ‘He didn’t seem to be holding back’

Dr. Ann Wolbert Burgess sat down with some of the most heinous serial killers in American history – but there was one who made an unforgettable first impression on her.

“It was such a pleasure talking to Ed Kemper,” he told Fox News Digital. “He was very outspoken… He had a well-carried voice, I think he sold well. Unlike some other people who were overtly aggressive, he had enough of a personality to not offend people… He was very friendly and didn’t. He doesn’t seem to be holding back. What exactly are his killing fantasies about? He also knew that time had begun.”

Known as the “Ogre of Aptos” and “Co-Ed Killer,” Kemper, Burgess said, stood at 6 feet tall, had an IQ of 136, and spoke with a booming voice suitable for reading audiobooks. Kemper began his two-year murder streak three years after leaving a public hospital, where he was convicted of murdering his grandparents at the age of 15. Beginning in 1972, Kemper, now 74, killed six women he caught hitchhiking, then murdered his mother and best friend before surrendering in 1973. Seven of the victims, including their mother, were beheaded.

Edmund Kemper’s right arm is bandaged after a suicide attempt in his cell in Redwood City, California.
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Academic advisor on Netflix’s “Mindhunter” series, Dr. The famous criminal psychologist and researcher who inspired the character of Wendy Carr, recently wrote a memoir called “A Killer by Design: Murderers, Mindhunters and My Quest to Decipher the Criminal Mind”. In it, she detailed her encounters with the country’s most dangerous men, while analyzing what drove them to kill.

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“We always planned to do this book when I was in the Behavioral Sciences Unit at Quantico, but for various reasons we didn’t,” he explained. “We wrote a more academic book on sexual homicide… I started telling my co-author Steven Constantine about all these papers and the data I had. Maybe he was the one who suggested we should take a closer look. Look and write a book. So we did. ..I was commissioned to interview these people in a more systematic way…We wanted to know the definition of serial killers.”

Burgess noted that the investigators he worked with had met with Kemper “several times” and that Kemper was willing – and eager – to talk.

Cameron Britton, left, as Ed Kemper on the Netflix true crime series

Cameron Britton, left, as Ed Kemper on the Netflix true crime series “Mindhunter.”
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“He remembered how to train,” Burgess said. “He talked about how to pick up young coed trainers and go a little further each time until he has some kind of weapon. He was really testing himself to see how far he could go without doing anything… He never did. And that was one of the reasons why he said he killed him. He said, “I wish I could just rape them but no, I had to kill them.”

According to Burgess, criminals were eager to detail their heinous crimes as FBI agents sought to understand the roots of their motives.

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“Many of these guys didn’t have a father – that was something that came up often,” he explained. “Whether it was a separation, divorce or whatever, the father would have gone. As a result, they were raised by the mother, who was a dominant parent until a certain age. I think these FBI agents, certainly at the time, were considered leading law enforcement. [A criminal] If someone from the FBI wants to interview you, it’s considered important in prison.”

Anna Torv on Netflix as Dr.  as Wendy Carr

In Netflix’s “Mindhunter,” which is said to be inspired by Ann Wolbert Burgess, Dr. Anna Torv as Wendy Carr.
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Burgess also recalled speaking to John Joubert, a former aviator and Scout leader who said he enjoyed “seeing the horror” of his victims.

“It seemed absolutely harmless if you wanted to use that word,” Burgess said. “When she talked about going out and looking for a victim, all she said in her interviews was that she wanted a loner. That makes sense, but you also wonder if there are other aspects of the victim being alone. teenage boys, teenage boys, 12 and 13 years old. Most of her problems started at that age. When you look at the dynamics of what it means for him and you wonder why he was targeting that age. He tried to object and say. He didn’t care if they were male or female, but he’s never been a victim of females.”

In 1996, Joubert was executed in the electric chair for stabbing two children to death in 1983. After being convicted of murdering 13-year-old Danny Jo Eberle and 12-year-old Christopher Walden in Nebraska, he was found guilty of strangling and stabbing Richard Stetson in Maine. , 11. Joubert, 33, claimed that the murders were the result of years of psychosexual fantasies.

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Known as Harvey Glaman

Harvey Glaman, known as “The Lonely Hearts Killer” and “The Glamor Girl Slayer”, was executed in 1959 for the murder of three young women in Los Angeles. Glaman disguised as a photographer and deceived his victims with the promise of a modeling career.
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Burgess went even further back in his work. He studied the case of “Lonely Hearts Killer” Harvey Glaman from the ’50s. Burgess described how Glaman took the then 11-year-old boy to a psychiatrist after discovering his mother was dealing with autoerotic choking. However, a mental health professional reportedly told him, “He’s just a teenager. He’ll get over it when he grows up.” Burgess said this case is crucial as it shows why mental health professionals need to be educated on “early warning signs.”

“Now we always say, ‘Take everything seriously,'” he said.

There was an encounter where he said silence meant a lot.

John Douglas, former FBI criminal profiler and bestselling author

John Douglas, former FBI criminal profiler and bestselling author of Mindhunter. Ann Wolbert said of Burgess: “Of all of my colleagues I’ve worked with, Ann is one of the smartest and toughest. Ann’s behind-the-scenes work had a profound impact on the FBI’s Behavioral Science Unit, as she taught us how to exploit the chaos in the minds of serial killers. and helped us decipher the unsolved.”
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“I remember from one of my cases there was a person who didn’t really talk much,” Burgess said. “He gave a simple yes or no to every question you asked in a monotonous voice. I told the lawyers that he had been sentenced to death for killing his entire family. Did he ask you any questions?” They said, ‘No, he didn’t ask any questions.’ . in it.”

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Burgess said it was a serial killer that confused him. Dennis Rader, who calls himself “BTK” for “tie up, torture and kill”, killed 10 people in Wichita, Kansas, from 1974 to 1991. The police did not catch him until 2005. Victims around his home that were never discovered by his family.

“He kept them, whatever that means,” Burgess said. “I don’t know if there was a fake door or something. I’ve never seen a photo like this. But I think that says something about him too, that his wife can do something right under his nose, and Boys. That’s something we’ve seen with murderers who did this to the police. He tried to get away with his crimes as close to the police as possible. They used to work. I remember Kemper saying that the police were checking all cars coming off campus. “Someone could have stopped him as he entered campus, but he didn’t wave. That gave him particular pleasure as he was able to turn himself in to the police.”

Dennis Rader killed 10 people in Wichita from 1974 to 1991.

Dennis Rader killed 10 people in Wichita from 1974 to 1991.
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There was one person Burgess said might have shown genuine remorse.

“The problem is, you don’t know if they’re displaying this emotion because they’ve been caught or because they’re feeling really bad,” he said. “But I know Montie Rissell commented on how he let one of his victims go. He had talked to her about his father, who was dying of cancer. He had a brother with cancer. The man said, ‘You have enough problems.’ And he let him go. That’s what we’ve always worked on. “What kind of victim would he let go? That way we can use this information for prevention and education. Maybe something helpful can be said or done. The work was really in the service of trying to understand enough so we could take action on these serial killers.”

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Today, Burgess hopes her work will shed new light on many of these high-profile cases.

Edmund Kemper is currently incarcerated at the California Medical Facility in Vacaville.

Edmund Kemper is currently incarcerated at the California Medical Facility in Vacaville.
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“I want readers to think about what we call red flags in these young men from a prevention perspective that we can identify before,” she said. “Often, people are much more affected by the killer and why he did it. But we need to understand how we got here in the first place and not blame the victim. It is the criminal who harms and injures our society.”

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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