Conservative activist Virginia “Ginni” Thomas, who is married to controversial Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, admitted that she has no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 presidential election in a statement issued earlier this year, according to a transcript revealed Friday.
Ginni Thomas worked for weeks behind the scenes at election times to support then-President Donald Trump. Text messages previously released by the House committee investigating the January 6, 2021 Capitol attack showed how Thomas had sown doubts about the legitimacy of the election in direct talks with Trump’s chief of staff at the time, Mark Meadows.
The January 6 committee succeeded in obtaining Thomas’ testimony in September, nearly two years after the last presidential election.
When asked about the strongest evidence he had of the alleged fraud, Thomas replied, “I can’t say I was familiar with any specific evidence at the time.”
Instead, he said he relied on “news” and “friends in the field” who visited polling stations and found “suspicious things”.
“I wasn’t an expert on scams and irregularities starting to talk,” Panel Representative told Jamie Raskin (D-Md.).
Thomas was part of the crowd that gathered to listen to Trump’s enraged speech about the election results before a deadly crowd of supporters continued to storm the Capitol.
A 136-page transcript of his testimony was part of a cache of documents released Friday by the committee, which completed its work before the new Congress convened in January.
Raskin continued to pressure Thomas about his current views, but declined to say which states’ election results still interest him. Representative Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) also tried to get more information from Thomas, recalling that Trump’s campaign had lost more than 60 legal battles related to the 2020 election because it failed to provide evidence. Cheney reminded that the lawyers of Trump’s attorney general Bill Barr and Vice President Mike Pence are also aware that there is no evidence of fraud.
While Thomas claimed that he knew that President Joe Biden is now president, he also allocated a share to the fraud allegations because many people around him forced them, and he did not deny the allegations.
Asked whether it would affect his stance if Representative Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) knew two years ago that Barr and Trump’s campaign lawyers were aware that the fraud allegations were untrue, Thomas replied, “I don’t know.” I do not know.”
In recent years, Thomas’ conservative activism and his links to Trump’s false election allegations have cast heavy doubt on his wife’s ability to remain an impartial justice arbiter in the nation’s highest court.
Still, Clarence Thomas was a relatively short topic of conversation in the statement.
Ginni Thomas, in her keynote speech before the panel, said that the idea that her husband could be influenced by her political views was “ridiculous” because she was “independent and stubborn, with strong character traits such as independence and honesty”.
He was then asked about some text messages he sent to Meadows after the 2020 election. At the beginning of his statement, Thomas said he regretted the “style and content” of the messages, and expressed his disappointment at the fact that they were made public.
In one of the texts sent during a press conference citing allegations of election fraud involving Trump’s attorney Rudy Giuliani, Thomas wrote: “Tears are flowing at what Rudy is doing now.”
In another text, sent on November 24, 2020, Meadows told Thomas that Trump’s post-election legal battle was part of his “fight for good versus evil.” Thomas replied: “Thank you. I needed this, plus a conversation I just had with my best friend. I’ll try to hold on.”
Thomas confirmed that when she mentioned “best friend” she meant her husband. But when asked what they were talking about with Judge Thomas, Ginni Thomas said she didn’t know.
“My husband often pays alimony to his wife, who is upset,” he said. “So I assume it is. I don’t have any particular memories of that.”
Thomas claimed that her husband was unaware of her friendship with Meadows and only learned of it when her text messages hit the newspapers earlier this year.
“Regarding the 2020 election, I’ve never talked to him about the details of my volunteer campaign activities, no,” he told Schiff.
Thomas said it was “embarrassing” to encounter his legacy digital communication tools.
“It was an emotional time,” he told the committee on several points.
Read Ginni Thomas’ statement here.